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6/29/2011 4:35 pm

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What confuses the issue here is that Spain did originate humanism and much of the basics of the enlightenment. This was before 1492, of course. The Jesuits forced the humanists to flee.
6/29/2011 4:00 pm

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Here's the thing. Read this from the wiki article I linked to earlier

"The juridical doctrine of the School of Salamanca represented the end of medieval concepts of law, with a revindication of liberty not habitual in Europe of that time. The natural rights of man came to be, in one form or another, the center of attention, including rights as a corporeal being (right to life, economic rights such as the right to own property) and spiritual rights (the right to freedom of thought and to human dignity).

The School of Salamanca reformulated the concept of natural law: law originating in nature itself, with all that exists in the natural order sharing in this law. Their conclusion was, given that all humans share the same nature, they also share the same rights to life and liberty. Such views constituted a novelty in European thought and went counter to those then predominant in Spain and Europe that people indigenous to the Americas had no such rights."

That sounds good, doesn't it? But the fact of the matter is the Jesuits in the Americas operated a regime of unprecedented brutality. They wiped out all records of 3 thousand year old civilizations. Even the Nazis couldn't manage this with the Jews.

And they did it while believing everything written in those two paragraphs. You have to remember the Jesuits did everything out of love for mankind. When they tortured a woman in the most brutal ways possible, they did it because they loved the woman. They believed that if they cut off her tits, she might suddenly see the light and be saved. Obviously a soul is more important than tits. It's the same as when they tortured Indians to death for having Mayan writings. They did it out of love for the Indian people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca

6/29/2011 3:31 pm

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. said:Edited the name of the author.

The lineage from the School of Salamanca to the Low Countries to the Scottish Enlightenment is well established. I don't have time to go into it here. In short, everything we know about English and Scottish economic and political thought is derived second-hand (Locke on tolerance, for example).



That's funny. Most historians claim it was Calvinism that inspired the Scots. You're the first person I've read claiming the Scots were Jesuits.
6/29/2011 3:29 pm

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. said:I know you like to skim over books on the internet, and pretend you've read them, but there's actually a pdf of a book by Matheison put up by Mises.org on the School of Salamanca that you can skim, and petend to be well-read.

If you want to delve deeper into the subject, read Vitoria (who was actually a crypto-Jew).



I'm well aware of the Catholic argument that the Inquisition was the real source of the enlightenment. It's just hard for people who are not Catholic to buy it.

Here's the thing. Spain, which was the only country in Europe completely controlled by the Jesuits, was not the source of freedom and human rights that the article claims.
6/29/2011 2:55 pm

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. said:Complete fabrication. People bathed in Spain frequently. Bath traditions from both Romans and Moors.



Did I mention Spain kicked out the Moors? :laugh:
6/29/2011 2:54 pm

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. said:Is that what you read in the Wikipedia article? The School of Salamanca invented international law and economics, which influenced writers in the Low Countries, whose ideas were directly taken over by the Scottish Enlightenment - Smith, Ferguson, etc.



Are you serious? You're actually arguing that the Inquisition, which was the reason the Jesuits were established, was the source of the Enlightenment?

I just can't buy that.
6/29/2011 2:35 pm

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. said:A large percentage of Jews stayed behind as crypto-Jews. How do you think trade with the Low Countries was conducted? Something like 70% of the treasury, juduciary and political branches in Spain post-expulsion were in the hands of crypto-Jews - hence, the need for the Inquisition, and very similar to the situation in the US today.



True. Here's a funny. If a Spanish person was discovered taking a bath, that was grounds for burning him at the stake, since only Jews washed up. :laugh:
6/29/2011 2:34 pm

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Zathrus2 said:
. said:One theory I heard was that Spain for whatever reason did not want to develop their own cannon industry and often purchased from England. Their constant wars to protect their colonies in Latin America cost a considerable amount and there were constant issues with other nations, pirates and privateers.

When Latin America became independent, that was the death nail for Spain. England received the bulk of Spain's gold in the end.



That's interesting. No powerful merchant class in Spain, so no development of capitalism...blah, blah, blah.
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Spain invented modern capitalidm, dude. Look up the School of Salamanca.



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That was ran by the Jesuits. It was part of the Inquisition. I'm sure it's main purpose was to justify killing Jews, Protestants, and "humanists".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca

6/29/2011 2:10 pm

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. said:One theory I heard was that Spain for whatever reason did not want to develop their own cannon industry and often purchased from England. Their constant wars to protect their colonies in Latin America cost a considerable amount and there were constant issues with other nations, pirates and privateers.

When Latin America became independent, that was the death nail for Spain. England received the bulk of Spain's gold in the end.



That's interesting. No powerful merchant class in Spain, so no development of capitalism, so no industrialization of the manufacturing of guns and cannons. So Spain would still be using blacksmiths to make guns and cannons, meaning they would all have different bores and lose fitting cannon or rifle balls.
6/29/2011 1:54 pm

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. said:Actually the opium trade was run by the jewish Sasson family. You better be careful if you stand between a jew and money.


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The Jews might have been involved, but the British government knew exactly what was going on, they had to send in warships to shell Chinese cities to force the Chinese Empress to all the sale of opium. This was the later half of the 1800s, with a more or less free British press. Every educated Brit knew what was happening and why.
6/29/2011 1:49 pm

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BobHopesColostomyBag said:Getting that huge windfall of Aztec gold proved to be the worst thing that could have happened to the Spanish. And Hapsburg rule was harmful too. The two acted to crush the Renaissance in Spain and anywhere else the Spanish ruled. The Renaissance started in its purest form in Italy but after the Spanish conquered Italy the Renaissance was effectively banished, fleeing first to France, and then Germany and England. England thus became the beneficiary of the growing influence of the Hapsburgs and their proxies the Bourbons when all those intellectuals and their intellectual ideas fled there during the disastrous Guerre de Trente Ans which was in many ways ultimately a Hapsburg/Bourbon anti Renaissance war against the Medicis and the Valois.



Well, bear in mind here that before 1492 the Spanish had the largest collection of Greek and Roman writing in Northern Europe. Including Aristotle. It was the rediscovery of Aristotle in Europe that started the scientific revolution. If the Spanish hadn't kicked out the Jews and Muslims, Spain would have been the center of the Renaissance.

BTW, the pope had agreed to give the Spanish royalty a large percentage of all church collections if they kicked out the evil Jews and Muslims and allowed in the inquisition.
6/29/2011 1:42 pm

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Atomic Milton said:
Zathrus2 said:Not only that, but how to use the capital. Can you imagine how rich Spain would have been with Jewish bankers handling that gold and silver from the new world?

Instead, and this is very strange, Spain ended up giving all it's gold and silver to the very same Jewish bankers it had kicked out. Except now they were living in Amsterdam, and the Dutch used this gold and silver to finance a world wide merchant empire.

Here's an odd factoid. China ended up with almost all the silver from the New World.



Which was then jewed out of them in exchange for cheap opium by the noble snaggletoofs. :sovietman:



That's exactly right. :laugh:
6/29/2011 1:33 pm

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. said:Kicking out the Jews in 1492 was a mistake. It resulted in a huge loss of capital.



Not only that, but how to use the capital. Can you imagine how rich Spain would have been with Jewish bankers handling that gold and silver from the new world?

Instead, and this is very strange, Spain ended up giving all it's gold and silver to the very same Jewish bankers it had kicked out. Except now they were living in Amsterdam, and the Dutch used this gold and silver to finance a world wide merchant empire.

Here's an odd factoid. China ended up with almost all the silver from the New World.
6/29/2011 1:26 pm

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. said:Ancient Greek:

http://www.lycurgus.org/images/pericles.jpg

Modern Greek:

http://www.infrastructurist.com/wp-content/uploads/michael-dukakis.png



Notice that they both have those enormous noses. And they're both short. The Romans were the same way. Romans and Greeks were white, but clearly very different than northern Europeans.
6/29/2011 1:11 pm

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Alexander the Great spread Greek civilization by conquering most everything between Egypt and Afghanistan. This started a lot of ethnic intermixing, Alexander himself married some Afghan tribeswomen. After that the Greeks never had a nation with ethnically secure borders.

The Bysantine empire was a greek civilization, but the people in the empire were very racially mixed. Also after the Roman conquest Greece was no longer a center of Greek civilization, but more of a remote outpost, There were much larger Greek populations in Egypt and elsewhere. So there was no effort to keep non-greek populations out of Greece.

So before British colonialism the concept of "Greek" implied an ethnic group throughout the middle east, one of many. The British brought in the concept of a nation-state that was ethnically more or less homogeneous. This was foreign to the mid-east since they had always had empires, which by their very nature were multi-ethnic.

Even more, every British officer had spent 10 years in school learning all about the Greeks, the Classical greeks were more real to them then the Turkish empire. So they really pushed the idea that "Greece" was the inheiter of the ancient Greeks. In fact, the land of Greece had been a remote province of several empires settled by all sorts of ethnic groups for 1000s of years.
6/28/2011 8:25 pm

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. said:After 8 years of being an intel fanboy I switched to AMD about 4 years ago.

Have avoided intel systems like the plague since they aren't worth the fucking money.



Same here. It's unbelievable how much cheaper AMD systems are. And the bottleneck in most systems isn't the CPU.
6/28/2011 4:35 pm

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. said:Saw an episode of 20/20 or one of those news magazine shows back in the mid 2000's, when people were starting to wise up about the H1B programs.

Seems a certain nameless corp was real hot to hire some middle aged Eastern Asian guy to work in their IT Dept until they found out he had become an official American citizen.

Suddenly they were no longer interested.



Companies like H1bs because it's hard for them to quit and get a higher paying job. The H1B visa belongs to the company, they can only get another job if the other company has H1b visas.
6/26/2011 9:21 pm

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mr the teapots said:
. said:I'm married so excuse me if I don't pity those who are alone.



Troof, whenever I feel lonely (which is rare), I think of this.



Same here, actually.
6/24/2011 1:45 pm

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. said:Libs caused it.

#1 They blocked the construction of reprocessing plants (Jews hate plutonium because they think it's a threat to Israel) so spent fuel is store at the plant.

#2 You can't build new plants so obsolete ones are kept in operation.



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So, let me get this straight. "Libs" can't stop Japan from killing whales, yet they somehow controlled the design and construction of the power plants.

And who are these Japanese Libs who control Japan?
6/24/2011 1:23 pm

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There's a big question on how dangerous low levels of radiation is. The authorities calculate the danger based on a scaling down of the damage done from high levels of radiation. They take the measurable damage to DNA and other cell processes from a high level of radiation, and then say 10% of this radiation will cause 10% of the damage from the high level.

The problem is that there has always been a certain level of background radiation, and from the beginning life has adapted to this. If a cosmic ray pops off a molecule from a strand of DNA, the cell is designed to replace that molecule with an identical one.

So for radiation to damage DNA, it would have to be high enough to overwhelm these repair mechanisms. So it's possible that up to a certain level, radiation causes little or no damage.
6/24/2011 9:39 am

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That's awesome.
6/23/2011 11:35 pm

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. said:EXACTLY! WHY MUST WE ACCOMODATE YOU? HOWEVER, WE GET TO BUILD A MOSQUE ON GROUND ZERO OR WE SUE!
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So you're saying we do have places only Christians are allowed to go?
6/23/2011 8:05 pm

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. said:You should see the fucked up kids in Belarus. Lots of them are born with fucked up birth defects and other weird shit.

http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/the-scientific-mind-at-work/



Holy shit :puke:



It's fake. Those kids could have come from anywhere and be suffering from a non-radiation birth defect.
6/22/2011 7:12 pm

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. said:Instead of saying he (Jay Levin) was sorry and this was an accident, he said in the civil trial that he never meant a word of it," Mark Drewes said Monday. "To this day he still acts like it was a good thing to do, like he's a cowboy."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/10/20/1020teenkiller.html



You're against people using guns against trespassers?
6/22/2011 6:38 pm

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. said:GET READY FOR THIS GALL! -

Mascola (the victim) asked for leniency when Lusskin was originally sentenced, a plea that drew criticism because Lusskin's MOTHER offered Mascola $250,000 if she would help keep him out of prison.

Today Mascola says the money was tempting in light of the expense of caring for twins.

Mascola, who has since married, said Lusskin still hasn't paid any child support, despite a court order to pay $656 a month.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2000-12-15/news/0012150200_1_tougher-sentencing-laws-leniency-prison



That makes even less sense. His parents are ok with attempted murder but would have been pissed with twin granddaughters?
 

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