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America lost so much credibility and moral standing among the world community in the last decade that it's breathtaking. Part of it is due to the internet, where we can see so much more uncensored information than ever before and get a real look at all the dirty laundry that they were more or less able to hide in the old days.

Part of it is also places like this. I know its unfair to characterize Americans or anyone else based only on forums and blogs and so on. But even so, before the internet I had a much more favorable view towards Americans. Now, after hearing thousands of you rant like lobotomized gorillas and seeing how shoddy your thoughts, actions, and morals are, it's much harder to be sympathetic and say "oh, the people are perfectly nice, it's the government that is at fault," like we used to do with the Soviets. That's a gracious way to treat a people whose government is doing great evil. But the idiocy, small-mindedness, narcissism, and actual psychopathic cruelty I have come to associate with Americans through my net journies makes even this kind of courtesy almost impossible.

Unamerikan Skumbag said:

There were three major types of american immigrants from euroland.

1) Religious nutjobs that were so troublesome they literally got kicked out. The pilgrims (remember thanksgiving?) were one of these. Today their descendants are a major part of americas population.

2) Never-do-wells that could not compete at home. People that werent very bright or comfortable with hard labor.

3) Criminals on the run.

What do you get if you mix religious nutjobs, dumbass losers and criminals? The modern whyte american.

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The problem is that Americans are so poorly educated in terms of critical thought and even basic living skills. There is a ton of information but most people don't know how to evaluate it or use it. People don't even know how to discuss issues anymore; all discourse has devolved into slogan-shouting and knee-jerking. I don't know what can be done to salvage the situation at this point. The problems are so deep, the decay is so advanced. The road I have taken is to isolate myself in the countryside and just live a simple and unprentious life, close to nature. I know that's not helping to fight the good fight, but that's the best I can do right now.

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The problem is that Americans are so poorly educated in terms of critical thought and even basic living skills. There is a ton of information but most people don't know how to evaluate it or use it. People don't even know how to discuss issues anymore; all discourse has devolved into slogan-shouting and knee-jerking. I don't know what can be done to salvage the situation at this point. The problems are so deep, the decay is so advanced. The road I have taken is to isolate myself in the countryside and just live a simple and unprentious life, close to nature. I know that's not helping to fight the good fight, but that's the best I can do right now.

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Which can be compared to Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle, and any of the post-industrial cities in the UK, and cities all across Europe.

Cities abandoned by industry, and replaced with blight and poverty is not an American phenomenon.

If you are making a straight face comparison between Newcastle and Detroit, you're

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People realize the game is rigged and rigged rotten. I

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You complain about the possibility of great social upheaval and denial and then deny that American history is basically our successful survival of a sequence of social upheavals. We're good at it, it's what we do. That's not to say it'll stop or that everyone will come out fine on the other end, but people tend to prefer order over chaos and act accordingly.

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Which can be compared to Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle, and any of the post-industrial cities in the UK, and cities all across Europe.

Cities abandoned by industry, and replaced with blight and poverty is not an American phenomenon.

Unamerikan Skumbag said:

There were three major types of american immigrants from euroland.

1) Religious nutjobs that were so troublesome they literally got kicked out. The pilgrims (remember thanksgiving?) were one of these. Today their descendants are a major part of americas population.

2) Never-do-wells that could not compete at home. People that werent very bright or comfortable with hard labor.

3) Criminals on the run.

What do you get if you mix religious nutjobs, dumbass losers and criminals? The modern whyte american.

MW.nli said:

Unamerikan Skumbag said:

There were three major types of american immigrants from euroland.

1) Religious nutjobs that were so troublesome they literally got kicked out. The pilgrims (remember thanksgiving?) were one of these. Today their descendants are a major part of americas population.

2) Never-do-wells that could not compete at home. People that werent very bright or comfortable with hard labor.

3) Criminals on the run.

What do you get if you mix religious nutjobs, dumbass losers and criminals? The modern whyte american.

No, that would be Australia's makeup.

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Except for the massive labor riots, or FDR being labeled a communist by your ancestral idiots. Good point.

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Europe will get a rude awakening. Without the US military presence they will have to pay for their own defence, if not against each other than as a precaution against Russia and the Middle East. It will be expensive. Debt-to-GNP ratios are higher in many European countries than America, or at least comparable, and population is ageing faster. People their countries to support millions for decades on end, sometimes with lavish pensions. With few resources and hard industry also being sucked eastward into China like the US, the collapse of the current system will not be any easier on Europe than it will be on the US.


They also have huge unresolved racial and cultural issues to sort through. Europe to date has NOT done a good job of integrating immigrants into its societies. It has two choices: Stop immigration or change the entire way of looking at and thinking about "multikulti."